After significant time, consideration, and consultation with others in #funtoo, there is a consensus that the discussion in #funtoo should focus on Funtoo. Therefore, I have decided to ban you from #funtoo and encourage you to set up your own channel(s) for your personal efforts.
Please utilize Daniel Cordero (TheAppleMan) as your liaison for submitting patches and discussing technical issues.
I like how all of this was done behind the scenes... oh and I was never asked to leave. I just woke up this morning banned. I find it interesting that Gentoo and Sabayon are considered ok topics of discussion, and I probably wouldn't have gotten banned for saying use one of those. But Regen2 seems to be a sore spot. I would have left if asked... I find the ban unnecessary. Or maybe I would have just idled watching for bug reports, I've unfortunately ended up laughing at most of them, as there have been quite a few on qt, and I preemptively masked the new qt, knowing that upstream wouldn't have it all sorted yet. Anyways... I'd like to state that I personally disagree with all the private discussions that go on in Funtoo. In gentoo the problems are public and distracting, when I was part of Funtoo, they were made private, this does not appear to be different now. It's possible this was discussed in #funtoo-dev as I stopped hanging out in that room when I stopped being a funtoo-dev. I think in general it's a bit hypocritical. I suppose you could say, "you were asked to not talk about regen2 what did you expect?", I didn't actually expect not to get banned, I did expect to be asked to leave, or shut up, with the threat of being banned first.
Daniel Cordero (TheAppleMan) has offered to grab patches from the regen2-dev mailing list. no solution for overlays for funtoo was ever decided. I have left it up to them to figure it out, since I refuse to maintain both my tree and apply patches to theirs... (and remove them when they don't want them). I can't actually guarantee either my individual patches or the overlays will be merged.
I'll be continuing to import patches from funtoo, although recently I realized it will be most likely impossible to get them all as drobbins commits quite a few patches during his merges. I recently found out that udev had been updated and had some house cleaning done (there is no stable udev in funtoo now (I think I didn't actually check keywords)) all versions before 135 are gone. So I checked to see if I missed a patch... I didn't which means it was changed in a merge... those are the only commits affecting those directories.
Best of luck to Funtooers.
NOTE: ah... I apologize for the formatting issue in the blockquote, seems to be a problem with blogger. I've fixed it best I can.
I was not consulted WRT your ban, and I'm not entirely in favour of it. However, in my own opinion, there were moments where you were rather abusive to other users.
ReplyDeleteI spent today merging sunrise; perl-experimental is already up-to-date.
So there is no problem with that (tl;dr your overlays have been merged).
I do agree that working with funtoo is a bit tricky.
WRT your patches, I am unable to give an opinion on them since they touch packages which I don't use and Daniel R isn't interested in them either.
I'm not involved in the development of funtoo, but I do not like the amount of talk that goes on behind other people's backs.
You're the only other person who can create metadata, and you are trying to get rid of manifests (which I completely want to support).
I do hope this all gets resolved soon. It seems childish that something like this has happened.
|luciel| Seems like you've ran into some crybabies...
ReplyDelete|luciel| That, or the pack leader is throwing a tantrum, so all his bitches fall in line.
|luciel| It stinks of: Drobbins: "He has the audacity to stand up to me!? To stand up to me!? I, who is the lifeblood of gentoo!? How dare he? I must be right, and I don't have to justify why."
It's a lot easier to play ball when you tell your users you're the best option and they don't realize that there's better. I've been silenced, most likely as my competition is seen as a threat. This is how a business would deal with this challenge. Silence them...
ReplyDeletedrobbins isn't interested in my patches because I called him out. He won't say that, but I assure you on most of them it's not of technical stature. My fix to samba, and my mysql bump are technically sound, heck, the mysql one is just a copy of the file in his tree. He's lost any and all standing ground for claiming technical due to that one alone. You'll note none of my patches were called into question when I was the tree maintainer... only one the same day that I was relieved so I didn't have a chance to fix it.
This is personal for him. But he's passive/aggressive and will never admit it. I'm just aggressive.
Abusive? hmm... if I was I apologize... I was probably joking, in my sad poor taste of humor, or I was already irritated by something to do with drobbins. I admit, I'm abrasive and blunt. But, I've also tried to help people.
yes I realize I'm the only other one who can do metadata. Zmedico said he was going to release a cache-tools ebuild ~1 month ago. We talked aoout it even before I was the tree maintainer for funtoo.
This is childish, the whole thing. I see no logical basis for rejecting my patches. In fact there is no longer an excuse, He can't say that he can't apply them anymore. Most of my patches are trivial to reproduce. mysql is simply (on my system) cd; cp mysql-5.1.30 mysql-5.1.31; gen_manifest; gen_metadata; git commit; (shortened with paths and such... ) but that's it...
I think you'll find this is resolved. I've been given the boot, and although I've a desire to help his users... I'll merely have to do it here.